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ffl2004  ↗贵宾↗  2008-12-18 10:18:50 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 德国
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flyheart  四海霸王  2008-12-18 11:21:02 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
原帖由 nutrewag 于 2008-12-17 22:49 发表

说的好。其实裁员是目的,不是手段,可能还是叫结构性调整更合适。要不是几年就弄个经济危机出来,哪有这么多借口可裁人呢。被裁者工资这三瓜两枣,大公司不会真的在意的,当然马上要倒闭的不算,能借机整合才是长远打算。 ...

retstructuring is just part of it..  most companies need to restrucutre because they need to survive (more cash, deleveraging)
cost cutting really matters, if you cut 1% of your stuff, it means nothing, but a lot companies are aiming at 10% costing-saving by cutting staff. (AT&T cuts 10k, Bank of American 35k through 3 years....)
This is going to be the worst recession since world war 2. Even from the most opportimistic view, the recovery may not take off until second half of next year. Futhermore, it will take several years for most companies to regain its current profitiablity, which means the best strategy for most companies is going to be "eliminating non-core business, keeping cost cutting and focusing on core R&D".
To be honest, I have to say I am very pessimistic over the economy of Europe for the next two years. As lacking of coordination and nessesary fiscal policy,  the reaction of continent Europe is very slow in comparsion to U.S/China. In addtion, Germany, the engine of contintent europe, will fall into recession. This may cause serious problem of the growth of contintent Europe. As most countires are trying to stimulate domestic demand and try to keep job inland, trade protectsionism may come back and take its toll on international trade soon. We may see less offshoring, international trading activity in the coming years. Since the consumer sentiment in Europe may keep dropping, the exporting/importing & consumer products sectors may get hit the most. The unemployment rate will keep increasing. There is no fast remedy for this.
The good thing is consumer bargaining power will increase, and cost of living will go down significantly. (some sectors will outperform the economy, very likely infrasturcture/agriculture/health care).

[ 本帖最后由 flyheart 于 2008-12-18 11:24 编辑 ]
lillian_wt    2008-12-18 22:40:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
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lillian_wt    2008-12-18 23:30:57 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
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笨笨本笨  海贼王  2008-12-19 10:12:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
我们公司估计不会裁,相反有几个老头过两年要退休。
适合中国人的有MECHANICAL方面的职位: AutoCAD 制图, FEA (ANSYS之类)。
虽然公司倾向找有经验的,并且具体职位还没出来,成功可能性难说, 有人感兴趣的话可留个言试试。
leoli2000  四海霸王  2008-12-19 10:30:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
年景不好的时候,还是技术行当比较吃香,我们公司也有些engineering的职位空着,有兴趣的去这个帖子看看吧
http://bbs.gogodutch.com/thread-273674-1-2.html
amsterdame  四海霸王  2008-12-19 11:26:03 | 显示全部楼层 来自: LAN
原帖由 fan van delft 于 2008-12-14 09:13 发表


裁掉marketing 和project manager? 留下工程师和一般员工?疯了?我看是CEO欠fire

环境不好,才该加大对老客户的维持和新客户开发经营,有经验的maketing manager必不可少,这是前端。project manager是中段,带项目运筹经营, ...


我觉的是要看行业的。偏技术的公司现在销售少当然会考虑保留那些相对保值的工程师,而偏销售型的公司当然得打破了头加大客户开发力度,搞销售的猛将当然不可缺少。对于意大利黑手党来说就是天大的机会放高利贷(前两天在文学城上看到的),估计那里不仅不裁员还得增加人手吧。。。工资高低肯定是公司考虑裁谁的一个方面,毕竟要考虑‘性价比’啊,但我觉得一般都是综合考虑的。

我是在猎头公司,看客户来自什么行业,现在工业品市场不好,相对来说人才需求少,在这方面工作的同事就会受影响。

[ 本帖最后由 amsterdame 于 2008-12-21 16:00 编辑 ]
ligawin  高级海盗  2009-1-20 19:53:45 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
在美国的美国汽车公司的工人工资,高到吓人。google 以下平均工资,你就明白为什么美国汽车业倒霉了!
celina_l  海贼王  2009-1-20 21:24:47 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
我们公司还专门组织了个out of office day, 想办法节省production costs的活动。。。
还有让我们把所有的假期都给休了,不再可以换钱了。。。
ceshen  四海霸王  2009-1-21 20:13:22 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 比利时
还好,一切正常,但马上就要享受ls说的强制假期了。。。
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