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amy57j  ↗总版主↗  2010-1-21 20:57:08 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
原帖由 QDMXJ 于 2010-1-21 20:41 发表
新的续永久ID是要护照的每页复印件的,所以基本上你是骗不了IND的如果在中国呆1年以上。


有点不清楚,护照上怎么能看出在中国呆了一年以上?
Asianxlove  见习海盗  2010-1-21 22:37:27 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
原帖由 amy57j 于 2010-1-21 20:57 发表


有点不清楚,护照上怎么能看出在中国呆了一年以上?


他说的是 出入境记录吧.
专门去看了一下,,和其它id的申请一样,"a copy of your passport, on which your personal informations and valid period of your passport are given"
并没有特别说要护照所有页
miffy  海贼王  2010-1-22 09:47:47 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
原帖由 Asianxlove 于 2010-1-21 11:25 发表
这个”move to another country” 可以有不同的解释
欧盟的不讨论,只说中国的
如果你注销了你在荷兰的地址,这当然叫move to another country. 连续12个月之后你的id 自动失效。
如果你 没有注销你在荷兰的地址,比如说 ...


你说得对,不注销地址,就应该不会算你搬到其他国家居住,但是不注销地址还有一系列其他的问题,比如你的收入上税的问题,包括海外收入,还有其他社保费用也要交,最后是居住地址的产生的一些税金。当然这些是小头。 人离开荷兰去别的国家超过180天以上,荷兰政府可能会要求你注销地址。因为你一年中大半的时间都不在荷兰居住了。 这是合情合理的。

你就算写邮件去问,移民局也会告诉你,如果准备去其他国家工作或者学习,超过半年以上,应该注销地址。如果持有永久居留, 居留卡会一直有效直到你离开12个月(欧盟以外)。 如果持有其他类型的居留,当你准备搬回荷兰, 你将面临需要重新办理居留的问题。 他们不会写信告诉你,你可以人去其他国家工作,学习,只要不注销地址,就不算你离开这种话。
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minneegg  高级海盗  2010-1-22 15:38:49 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
原帖由 Asianxlove 于 2010-1-21 22:37 发表


他说的是 出入境记录吧.
专门去看了一下,,和其它id的申请一样,"a copy of your passport, on which your personal informations and valid period of your passport are given"
并没有特别说要护照所有页 ...


曾有过两次,我回国和再返回荷兰都没在我的护照上盖章,GGD里原来也有人曾有过这样得经历~
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amy57j  ↗总版主↗  2010-1-23 00:48:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
原帖由 minneegg 于 2010-1-22 15:38 发表


曾有过两次,我回国和再返回荷兰都没在我的护照上盖章,GGD里原来也有人曾有过这样得经历~


是的,所以说护照上不一定能够看出来的。
豆豆2010  见习海盗  2010-1-23 09:19:53 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
我也有这样的问题。

我是同居居留,但是我要到比利时工作,我在荷兰和比利时都有注册地址,我在比利时交个税,这种情况是否可以保留荷兰的同居居留啊。
cantoluna  见习海盗  2010-2-1 16:27:22 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 荷兰
I got some official answers from IND

Question Part:

Dear sir/madam
    Thank you for taking time to read this long email.
    I have some questions concerning the validity of the long-term residence permit.
  
   1. Does de-registration from City Hall (Gemeente) automatically mean leaving the country? How does it affect the residence permit status?
   2. How do you define reside outside of the EU. Does it start to count on the day that the person leaves EU? Or does it start to count when the person de-register from the city hall?
 
   3. How can we know whether the residence permit is still valid or not?
   4. Is there any other thing we should consider for the residence permit? Like health insurance and jobs?
   Thanks a lot for your clarification!
Best
Answer Part:

Dear Sir,
With reference to your request for information I inform you on the following.
A permanent residence document is valid for five years. After these five years the residence document will have to be renewed. This costs € 41.
The permanent residence permit can be revoked in the following situations:
a       absence of the Dutch territory;
b       obtaingin of the permanent residence on frauduleus grounds;
c       threat to public order or national security;
d       obtaining of a EG long term resident status in another EU member state.
I will explain all four reasons.
a       The permanent residence permit can be revoked when you have stayed outside the Netherlands, the EU, EER or Switzerland for more than 12 months continuous or when you have stayed outside the Netherlands but within the EU, EER or Switzerland for more than six years         continuous. Residing outside the EU or outside the Netherlands starts on the day you leave the Netherlands, regardless whether you are deregistered or not. You can stop a term by returning to the Netherlands for some time. A few days in the Netherlands will start a new term of   12 months or six years. You should be able to prove that you have resided in the Netherlands off course.
        The permanent residence permit is not revoked when you have not moved your main residence, the holder of the permanent residence permit shows that he/she has stayed more than six years outside the Netherlands for study in one or more of the other EU member        states.         Deregistering form the GBA means you have moved your main residence. You cannot deregister from the GBA in the Netherlands and stay in the Netherlands as every citizen of the Netherlands should be registered in the GBA. Deregistering from the GBA might mean the   residence permit is revoked, but the terms as mentioned in this explanation are off course also taken into account.
b       When you, or another person, purposely have given wrongful information that would have resulted in a denial of the permanent residence permit the residence permit will be revoked. If you have obtained the permanent residence permit twelve or more years ago with the status EG-    long term resident, the residence permit will only be changed to a permanent residence permit on national grounds.
c       For the permanent residence permit to be revoked on the grounds of threat to public order of national security you should pose an actual and serious threat to public order or national security.
d       When you have lived in another EU member state for five years you could also get a residence permit EG long term resident in that EU member state. The Dutch permanent residence permit is then however revoked.

Before a residence permit is revoked a letter is send to the foreign national on the last known address. The letter indicates the intention to revoke the residence permit and gives the opportunity to reply to this intention. In other words you will get a chance to inform us of reasons for which we should not revoke the residence permit. Proof that your main residence is in the Netherlands for instance or proof that you have returned to the Netherlands before the 12 months or six years have ended.
Every person living in the Netherlands legally should have a health insurance. With regard to jobs there is no requirement as not having a job is not a reason to revoke the permanent residence permit as you can see in this e-mail.
I trust to have informed you sufficiently.
Yours sincerely,
Audrey Lassche
Public Information Officer
Immigratie- en Naturalisatiedienst / Immigration and Naturalisation Service
Publieksvoorlichting/Department of Communication
Postbus 3211 2280 GE Rijswijk Nederland / The Netherlands
Telefoon/telephone: 0900-1234561 (or from outside the Netherlands: +31-20-8893045)
(maandag t/m vrijdag: 9.00-17.00, € 0.10 per minuut)
Telefax: +31 (0) 70 779 4640
E-mail: voorlichting@ind.minjus.nl
Internet: www.ind.nl
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豆豆2010  见习海盗  2010-2-1 18:55:56 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 德国
我想问一下如果是荷兰同居居留和比利时的工作居留,人在比利时工作,每个周末都回荷兰的话,算不算离开荷兰啊?

有人知道吗。
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