请问在荷兰申请博士不能超过28岁？是真的么？

Post by hotwindsheng;3514976
我的意见跟你正好相反啦 首先有许多老板都不原意招收超过30的phd，原因其实是对你负责，

原因其实是对你负责???? ----- I never expect “boss“ take responsibility to me, in school or out of. (it’s NO Dutch culture and should not be). I take my own responsibility.

Imagine 2 attitudes:
---- One: "I am not sure what I want. My boss recruits me, He wants me which makes me feel so good and precious."
----The Other: I’m interested in the topic, I want the PHD position..

Post by hotwindsheng;3514976
  因为如果你毕业以后觉得自己不适合做研究相邀进工业界的话，年龄还不算太大。  

this supports my point: “why Uncertain?” ------ why DID NOT try industry directly after Master and save THE 4 years?
In my eyes:
--- fresh 30 PHD, with NO clue where the interests is, that is old;
--- 38 Department Manager, it’s pretty young.
”there's NEVER too old; only too LATE to know what responsibilities should take”.

Post by invasion;3515161

工作了再读书， 一来是心静不同 而且我觉得工作的方式和phd工作的方式也很不一样。 再者工作的人拿的钱比phd多多了， 所谓由简入奢易， 由奢入俭难啊！除非是边工作边拿phd。 不过一般学校似乎不回接受把

最好别做高龄phd，除非上完有地方去。否则出来找工作，移民都成问题。别说高龄了，就是正常毕业出来的去很多国家移民打分都吃亏了。 最好想清楚。

“Money and Immigration”, all MINOR points and pure personal.
only, here is my huge question-mark “?” Chasing money and immigration, by pursuing a PHD “?????”


the end, all pure personal choices, i am not and might not be a PHD then who am i to say anything?  I just personally respect first-engineer-then-PHDs, esp. those masters that are on the track of design or research already…..much more!

Post by hotwindsheng;3514976
我的意见跟你正好相反啦 首先有许多老板都不原意招收超过30的phd，原因其实是对你负责，

原因其实是对你负责???? ----- I never expect “boss“ take responsibility to me, in school or out of. (it’s NO Dutch culture and should not be). I prefer taking my own responsibility.

Imagine 2 attitudes:
---- One: "I am not sure what I want. My boss recruits me, He wants me which makes me feel so good and precious."
----The Other: I’m interested in the topic, I want the PHD position..

Post by hotwindsheng;3514976
  因为如果你毕业以后觉得自己不适合做研究相邀进工业界的话，年龄还不算太大。  

this supports my point: “why Uncertain?” ------ why DID NOT try industry directly after Master and save THE 4 years?
In my eyes:
--- fresh 30 PHD, with NO clue where the interests is, that is old;
--- 38 Department Manager, it’s pretty young.
”there's NEVER too old; only too LATE to know what responsibilities should take”.

Post by invasion;3515161

工作了再读书， 一来是心静不同 而且我觉得工作的方式和phd工作的方式也很不一样。 再者工作的人拿的钱比phd多多了， 所谓由简入奢易， 由奢入俭难啊！除非是边工作边拿phd。 不过一般学校似乎不回接受把

最好别做高龄phd，除非上完有地方去。否则出来找工作，移民都成问题。别说高龄了，就是正常毕业出来的去很多国家移民打分都吃亏了。 最好想清楚。

“Money and Immigration”, all MINOR points and pure personal.
only, here is my huge question-mark “?” Chasing money and immigration, by pursuing a PHD “?????”


the end, all pure personal choices, i am not and might not be a PHD then who am i to say anything? I just personally respect first-engineer-then-PHDs, esp. those masters that are on the track of design or research already…..much more!

觉得楼上几位讲的都有道理:35:。

关于在工作同时读博的这个选择，我想多问几句：:34:
*一般情况下，可以自己跟公司提出么？是不是也要在工作了一段时间，自己有了明确具体的研究课题以后呢？
*一般在Research部门工作，公司会鼓励员工边工作边读博么？还是希望员工踏踏实实做公司的研究项目，不要分心？这个还希望了解荷兰企业文化的前辈给说说。
*如果有这种机会，要自己联系教授还是公司会找他们有合作或者喜欢的教授呢？

还希望有经验和有想法的前辈们不吝赐教阿。

Post by fan van delft;3515537
原因其实是对你负责???? ----- I never expect “boss“ take responsibility to me, in school or out of. (it’s NO Dutch culture and should not be). I prefer taking my own responsibility.

Imagine 2 attitudes:
---- One: "I am not sure what I want. My boss recruits me, He wants me which makes me feel so good and precious."
----The Other: I’m interested in the topic, I want the PHD position..


this supports my point: “why Uncertain?” ------ why DID NOT try industry directly after Master and save THE 4 years?
In my eyes:
--- fresh 30 PHD, with NO clue where the interests is, that is old;
--- 38 Department Manager, it’s pretty young.
”there's NEVER too old; only too LATE to know what responsibilities should take”.



“Money and Immigration”, all MINOR points and pure personal.
only, here is my huge question-mark “?” Chasing money and immigration, by pursuing a PHD “?????”


the end, all pure personal choices, i am not and might not be a PHD then who am i to say anything? I just personally respect first-engineer-then-PHDs, esp. those masters that are on the track of design or research already…..much more!

please cite my remark correctly. all i am saying is think twice. i respect all those who have real interests in research.  one more point : first-engineer-then-phds is not very common. the motivation is not clear.

Post by fan van delft;3515537
原因其实是对你负责???? ----- I never expect “boss“ take responsibility to me, in school or out of. (it’s NO Dutch culture and should not be). I prefer taking my own responsibility.

Imagine 2 attitudes:
---- One: "I am not sure what I want. My boss recruits me, He wants me which makes me feel so good and precious."
----The Other: I’m interested in the topic, I want the PHD position..


this supports my point: “why Uncertain?” ------ why DID NOT try industry directly after Master and save THE 4 years?
In my eyes:
--- fresh 30 PHD, with NO clue where the interests is, that is old;
--- 38 Department Manager, it’s pretty young.
”there's NEVER too old; only too LATE to know what responsibilities should take”.



“Money and Immigration”, all MINOR points and pure personal.
only, here is my huge question-mark “?” Chasing money and immigration, by pursuing a PHD “?????”


the end, all pure personal choices, i am not and might not be a PHD then who am i to say anything? I just personally respect first-engineer-then-PHDs, esp. those masters that are on the track of design or research already…..much more!

做大龄博士(30+开始读)不是太好的选择

Post by fan van delft;3515537
原因其实是对你负责???? ----- I never expect “boss“ take responsibility to me, in school or out of. (it’s NO Dutch culture and should not be). I prefer taking my own responsibility.

Imagine 2 attitudes:
---- One: "I am not sure what I want. My boss recruits me, He wants me which makes me feel so good and precious."
----The Other: I’m interested in the topic, I want the PHD position..


this supports my point: “why Uncertain?” ------ why DID NOT try industry directly after Master and save THE 4 years?
In my eyes:
--- fresh 30 PHD, with NO clue where the interests is, that is old;
--- 38 Department Manager, it’s pretty young.
”there's NEVER too old; only too LATE to know what responsibilities should take”.



“Money and Immigration”, all MINOR points and pure personal.
only, here is my huge question-mark “?” Chasing money and immigration, by pursuing a PHD “?????”


the end, all pure personal choices, i am not and might not be a PHD then who am i to say anything? I just personally respect first-engineer-then-PHDs, esp. those masters that are on the track of design or research already…..much more!

有良心的老板自然是会为你负责的， 不管你expect不expect.

you can make your own choice but a good boss may not give you that bad option.

Post by fan van delft;3515537
原因其实是对你负责???? ----- I never expect “boss“ take responsibility to me, in school or out of. (it’s NO Dutch culture and should not be). I prefer taking my own responsibility.

Imagine 2 attitudes:
---- One: "I am not sure what I want. My boss recruits me, He wants me which makes me feel so good and precious."
----The Other: I’m interested in the topic, I want the PHD position..


this supports my point: “why Uncertain?” ------ why DID NOT try industry directly after Master and save THE 4 years?
In my eyes:
--- fresh 30 PHD, with NO clue where the interests is, that is old;
--- 38 Department Manager, it’s pretty young.
”there's NEVER too old; only too LATE to know what responsibilities should take”.



“Money and Immigration”, all MINOR points and pure personal.
only, here is my huge question-mark “?” Chasing money and immigration, by pursuing a PHD “?????”


the end, all pure personal choices, i am not and might not be a PHD then who am i to say anything? I just personally respect first-engineer-then-PHDs, esp. those masters that are on the track of design or research already…..much more!

很多事情当然只有做过才知道实际情况吧？ 所谓计划不如变化快啊。 我方正是开始的时候挺喜欢做研究，但是后来发现自己做研究， 从成研究果到应用到实践花的时间太长了。 所以觉得直接去工业界做研究会更快一些。你要是一开始就知道自己就只能是做工业界的料，那当然是直接毕业跑工业界啦。。。

而且你也误解我的意思啦。 解释一下， 由简入奢易， 由奢入俭难的意思呢是：一个人从简单的生活过到富足的生活很容易。 而过管了富足的生活再过简单的生活就难了。 我什么时候说过要追着钱跑啦？-_-!